It turns out that Clarence Clemons wasnt completely full of it when he wrote about hanging out with Bruce Springsteen at the Pozo Saloon.
Ive been there, said Clemons, the sax player for Springsteens E Street Band, commonly known as The Big Man.
But whether Springsteen has ever been to the saloon as Clemons described in his book The Big Man: Real Life & Tall Tales is still a bit fuzzy.
Im pretty sure he has, said Clemons, still tired from the bands latest stadium tour. His family is in California, and they hang out there a lot.
The problem is, the E Street Band has traveled the world many times over, and sometimes places and events meld together. And portions of the book admittedly take artistic license. So, in theory, the heartfelt talk they supposedly had at the Pozo Saloon could have happened somewhere else.
Its not unusual for well-known celebrities to pass through the county. In recent years, people such as Barbra Streisand, Mel Gibson and the late Michael Jackson (in disguise) have been spotted here.
But Springsteen is known for performing before massive crowds and then keeping a low profile outside the stadiums.
Clemons book concludes with a chapter that takes place at the historic saloon. According to the book, he and Springsteen met there and virtually went unnoticed except for one fellow patron, who recognized Clemons but not Springsteen.
The chapters details are questionable because parts of the book chapters printed on gray pages are at least somewhat fictionalized.
When The Tribune originally wrote about the Pozo chapter, one of the gray sections, a request to interview Clemons was denied by his publicists. But Don Reo, the books co-author, read the story online and eventually hooked up The Tribune with his longtime friend.
It was also Reo who introduced Clemons to Pozo in the 1990s.
I lived on Pozo Road for a while, said Reo, a television writer who was producing the show Blossom and writing the pilot for The John Larroquette Show when he lived on Santa Margarita Ranch.
Clemons said he enjoyed the seclusion the area offered, which reminded him of the Virginia town where he grew up.
Its that kind of place, and Im that kind of guy, said Clemons, who now lives in Florida.
Nowadays, he and Springsteen seldom see each other outside of shows. But back in the day, he said, they often traveled off the beaten path together, hanging out in funky places like the Pozo Saloon and talking about music.
In the old days, we did a lot more of that kind of thing, he said. Then, with a chuckle, he added: And now were businessmen.
His book isnt so much a tell-all but a series of vignettes, some more fact-driven, others with more of an easygoing narrative flow.
The idea was to create something that wasnt your standard show and tell, said Clemons, famous for his sax solos on Jungleland and Born To Run. We created something that was done to entertain. It reads like a novel, and its a lot more interesting.
Stories like hanging out with Ringo Starr, working 16 hours to record a sax solo for Jungleland and how he met Springsteen are true.
The part where Clemons unintentionally reached Groucho Marx on a pay phone? Up for debate.
Springsteen did once stop in Templeton to get a soda, Reo said. But he didnt serendipitously pass Josh Brolin with Brolin failing to recognize him as the story was related.
Bruce and I have talked about this notion of close calls, ships passing through the night, Reo wrote in an e-mail.
While no one at the Pozo Saloon can recall seeing Clemons or Springsteen there, Reo said thats not surprising. They usually dont create a scene.
People have a tendency to back off and leave them alone, he said. Bruce moves through the world in a way that you dont notice him. He blends in.
Which might explain why a woman really did once recognize The Big Man and not The Boss, and handed her camera to Springsteen so she could have her picture taken with Springsteens sax player.
That really did happen, Reo said.
Just maybe not in Pozo.
Some of it didnt happen like we said it did, but it did happen, Clemons explained.
But Reo thinks Springsteen has been to the saloon. After all, he said, Springsteen read the book and didnt refute the section.
Im not ready to say that Bruce hasnt been to the Pozo Saloon, he said.
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